Meeting Minutes from inSPIRe Social on October 11, 2008
We had our seventh social event of 2008
at Sharon and Will s home on Alki. We had a nice turnout with
approximately 32 guests to hear our guest speaker Bob Watt. Thanks so
much to Will and Sharon for opening up their home!
Our next meeting Our next
social will be November 8th. Mark your calendar! Details
upcoming stay tuned!
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Keynote Speaker:
Bob Watt. Bob Watt
is the recently retired vice president of State & Local Government
Relations and Global Corporate Citizenship at The Boeing Company. Prior
to his work at Boeing, Bob was President and CEO of the Greater Seattle Chamber
of Commerce. Prior to this position Bob was the managing
director/co-founder of PhyCom Corporation, a company providing patient care
software to the health care world. From 1989-1994 Bob was the deputy
mayor of the City of Seattle under Mayor Norm Rice, and before this the
President of Family Services of Seattle/King County and the executive director
of Youth Eastside Services in Bellevue, Wash.
Bob s other community involvement
efforts include
- Chair of the Alliance for Education Board;
- Chair of the Group Health Foundation Board;
- Chair of the SEAFAIR board,
- Vice chair of the Seattle-King County Workforce
Development Council,
- Board member of The Seattle Foundation,
ArtsFund and the Greater Seattle Chamber of Commerce.
- Member of Governor Gregoire's Washington Learns
Steering Committee and as non-governmental co-chair of the Washington
State Early Learning Council.
- He also was a founding board member and
chairman of the Children's Alliance in Washington State.
- In February 1998, Bob was presented with the
Edward E. Carlson Outstanding Alumni Award from Leadership Tomorrow in
recognition of his active leadership contributing to the well being of the
Puget Sound Region.
- In 2004, Bob received the Lifetime of Idealism
award from CityYear for his contributions to regional communities.
Even with this incredibly busy schedule,
Bob agreed to come spend the evening with inSPIRe to discuss Corporate
Social Responsibility, including appropriate social responsibility
obligations and behavior of American corporations; corporate legal
responsibilities and obligations towards their owners/shareholders as well as
to their employees; the larger role of corporations in our communities;
corporate responsibilities to the public; the appropriate role of corporations
giving back to the communities in which they are located as well as to those in
which their products and services are sold; government subsidizes to
corporations to win the willingness of corporations to come or remain in a
community; the appropriate level of government oversight (regulation vs.
deregulation) of Corporate America; and how we avoid taxpayer bailouts.
Corporate social responsibility (CSR)
has become a very controversial term throughout the world. CSR has been
muddled with other hot topics , including going green , going lean ,
etc. Bob worked to get Boeing to use the term Global Corporate
Citizenship instead of CSR in that Bob felt this a broader and better
descriptor for what Boeing was trying to do. Corporations have the opportunity
to be great corporate citizens, but to be great they must truly be effective in
their efforts in this regard.
Boeing has a very long tradition of
taking a broad view of the communities in which Boeing resides. Boeing
spends a lot of money, and also human resources, within the community.
For example, most all major Seattle art projects have management assistance
from Boeing Engineering, at Boeing cost. Boeing has donated project
managers for many other community projects too, as well as providing extensive
computing/data support, reproduction services, etc. Bob believes that
Boeing is a very thoughtful community citizen.
Bob then spoke of the current credit
crisis / housing market meltdown. In 2002, then CEO of Fannie Mae
Franklin Raines, a former Seattleite, believed he needed to push for greater
corporate social responsibility through Fannie to provide people of color a
greater opportunity to own their own homes, especially people of lower
income. Prior to this effort, default rates on mortgages by minorities
were the same as with Caucasians. After these efforts, default rates went
from 8% up to 15%. Bob s point was this: beware of unintended
consequences, even beginning with the best intentions. Many people throughout
the country were given loans that never should have gotten them. The home
mortgage defaults began the spiral that has led to our current banking failures
and credit crisis worldwide. Many other factors were, and still are at
play, but this was part of the stimulus for our economic woes.
Bob serves on the Board of the Seattle
Foundation. (www.seattlefoundation.org)
Bob handed out a Seattle Foundation report on the Puget Sound Community which
can be found on their website. The Seattle Foundation takes a very broad
view of community responsibility and their report covers the many areas of
focus the community needs to make to ensure Puget Sound continues towards being
a healthy community.
Bob then talked about the different
strategies different corporations use in community involvement. Wal-Mart
uses a cause-related approach to attempt to maximize the marketing impact
they will receive for their good community efforts . These efforts also
provide Wal-Mart with tax breaks. But, these efforts are not efficient
and in light of the negative consequences of Wal-Mart s business behaviors,
including low employee wages, lack of employee benefits, etc., Wal-Mart s CSR
efforts do not pass the test.
CSR is a good idea, but Bob emphasized
that we are likely to receive better results working as individuals and in
small groups (such as inSPIRe!) towards community betterment. We, as
individuals and in membership with our community neighbors, can likely achieve
much greater successes than our local corporations.
Boeing is in a different position than
companies that sell consumer products, such as a Nordstrom, etc. Boeing
is not at risk of their customers sending cut up Boeing credit cards back to
the company due to Boeing taking a risky position within the community.
(Nordstrom even experienced this when the Seahawks football team lost!)
For this, Boeing is willing to take on more controversial community
issues. As an example, Bob was able to get Boeing to be a sponsor of the
Children s Administration and provide their Director with Boeing employees to
help in administration efforts. The Children s Administration was
somewhat controversial, but Boeing did not hesitate.
Q What about excessively high CEO
salaries? Is this under the umbrella of CSR?
A In Europe, the answer is
yes . In the US, not yet. In Europe, the ratio of CEO salaries to
that of the average employee of the company is much lower than in the US.
Corporations are run by a Board of Directors (BoD). Publically traded
companies, like Boeing, must report executive compensation. A good Board
sees the broader community as stakeholders, not just the owners of the stock
and the company s customers. In theory stockholders can work to un-elect
the Board to voice anger over high executive salaries, but this rarely
happens. In Limited Liability Corporations, and in privately held
companies, the public doesn t have access to what the executives actually are
paid, so achieving more reasonable, lower compensation levels is close to
impossible. But our greatest tool is to vote with our feet and our
pocketbooks don t buy their product or services if you don t like how the
company is operating.
Bob recommended a book on this subject,
Firms of Endearment by Rajendra S. Sisodia, David B. Wolfe and Jagdish N.
Sheth. The book points out how firms that do good in the community then do better in their
financials!
Q It seems like most companies with high-priced
CEOs are the very largest firms. Is this true?
A Not necessarily. Most of the
largest firms are publically traded, thus executive compensation is
known. Again, with private companies we don t have visibility to actual
compensation.
Bob then spoke of corporate subsidies
in the form of tax breaks , etc. The example he spoke of was the much
reported $3.2 billion tax break Washington State gave to Boeing to build the
787 in our state. Bob came to Boeing with the goal of keeping the 787 production
in state, but this effort was very difficult. The core competition was
from right-to-work states, such as most states in the south. In these
states it is very hard to unionize and to receive union-negotiated benefits,
thus building costs for a company will usually be much cheaper. Bob
explained that the WA St Business and Occupation tax is very high, as is our
unemployment insurance tax and workers compensation. Before the 787, our
taxes ranked #2 in the US. After the 787 negotiated deal between Boeing
and our state government, our taxes were reduced to the mid-range for the
country, I.E., one can look at this deal as really not being sweetheart for
Boeing. Also, the true value to Boeing was more like $700 million, not
$3.2 billion. Boeing s BoD was a tough sell on the offer, because better
offers came from down south.
Bob then talked about his extensive work
in the area of early learning. Bob mentioned studies that show how
important it is for a community to support early learning programs.
Investment in these types of programs can really provide great results in
keeping companies, and in keeping skilled workers living and working in one s
community.
Q Boeing makes millions from being
part of the Military Industrial Complex. How does Boeing balance this vs
being a Global Corporate Citizen?
A This is truly a deep-seated conflict
within Boeing. Our former Commercial Airplanes leader Alan Mullaly
strongly believed that bringing people together through travel would lead to a
more understanding and peaceful world. It was the right thing to do, Alan
believed, and he looked at Boeing s airplanes as tools of peace. But
Boeing also builds military items. As a lifelong social worker Bob had
struggles with this. He met many good people at Boeing that worked on the
military side, and in discussions they explained how proud they were to be
working on things that help keep America safe and our soldiers safe. But
if one is truly against military projects, a tactic they can take is to buy
stock in Boeing and go to the shareholder meetings and protest. Bob
indicated he actually worked to separate the commercial side of Boeing from the
military side, but was unsuccessful in these attempts.
Q Washington State has a financial
deficit. How do we keep family services as a key part of our government
spending?
A This election is really important in
this area. The winners will need to make important choices and have
important priorities. We, as voters, need to influence them. We
need to work to build coalitions and go to Olympia and lobby for what we
believe should be done.
Q Can you discuss the big party that
AIG, whom our government just bailed out, put on for their executives to the
tune of $400K?
A AIG is typical of a company that
depends on their sales force to attract revenue. Typical in companies
like this are celebrations where a company meeting is combined with a party,
typically in a nice setting. Boeing does this. It usually includes
a half day of work, then a half day of social. Depending on how many
attendees there were at the AIG function, it might not have been
excessive. Bob, in his past social work, began the tradition of giving
his employees a Christmas bonus. He started at $25, but over time this
increase to $500. These sorts of benefits are common. Whether the
AIG event was appropriate depends on many of these factors.
Bob then spoke of personal
responsibility. Many people took home loans, from WAMU as well as from
other banks, which they did not have the ability to pay back. These
people chose a path that was not responsible. This is a problem of
ethics.
Q What about efforts by WAMU and other
banks to bundle loans into securitizations in efforts to increase corporate
profits? Don t we need more regulation?
A The reality is that the vast
majority of mortgages are still good. The process of bundling mortgage
cash flows and selling them off began with Clinton signing, in 1999, a bill to
allow this. So, blame goes to both Democrats and to Republicans. As
happened too in 1929, we let things become way too deregulated, especially in
regards to what is typically people s biggest financial investment of their
lives, the purchasing of their homes. This needs to change. More
regulation is needed. But also we need a lot more personal
responsibility. People can t continue to engage in the remortgaging of
their homes to pay off personal debt. This is a very bad idea and never
would have been practiced by those that had lived through the Great Depression
of the 1930s.
Q What about co-determination ?
We re all in this together, so shouldn t labor and community members have a
greater say in corporate decisions?
A With the new legislation and rule
changes from our current financial crisis, America is going to become more like
Europe in this regard.
Q How do we reconcile CSR and
lobbyists?
A A lobbyist can be ethical or
unethical. The best lobbyists tend to work for organizations that they
truly believe in, and thus only speak the truth when they lobby. In
Boeing s case, Boeing contributed to local politicians, but the average was
only $700 per campaign, which is hardly enough to sway a politician s
vote. There are very corrupt lobbyists and legislators. It is up to
the individual. Bob was never asked by Boeing to do something that he was
uncomfortable with.
Q Shouldn t we change the rule of
Corporate Personage, I.E., that rule that gives corporations the protections
granted to individuals and that protects the members of the corporations from
the risk of their behaviors?
A Bad things can and do happen in
corporations. Mistakes are made. Problems come up. Think of
the consequences if a lawsuit was brought against a company, and personal
responsibility of the employees was at stake. For example, say Boeing was
being sued by a customer for being late with the 787, and the Boeing Sales team
was at personal risk of losing their homes and other assets because they were
part of selling the airplane. Would these people still be willing to do
this job? Most likely not. Way too much risk for a job that doesn t
typically pay too much. This is just one example of how things are
currently set up and it would be disastrous to business and jobs, and our
economy in totality, if this major structural change was made.
Q Some people put CSR and Governmental
Affairs in the same bucket. Shouldn t companies have these departments
separated?
A Bob actually worked to combine these
at Boeing. He viewed the skill sets of the employees on both teams as
similar, thus people had greater career opportunities with the
combination.
As always, many, many questions were
asked but not recorded. Sorry!
Many thanks to our hosts and our
speakers!
See you at the next inSPIRe meeting!
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